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	<title>Comments on: Windows TeX Users: MiKTeX or TeX Live</title>
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		<title>By: TeX Live 2009, MacTeX 2009, Binaries für FreeBSD, LuaTeX 0.46.0, LaTeX News&#160;19, TeX Catalogue, pdfTeX 1.40.10-RC, JabRef 2.6 beta&#160;2, Writer2LaTeX 1.0 final, WinShell 3.31, LEd 0.53, TeXMakerX 1.9.2, TeXTable 0.2, LyX 1.6.4.2, LaTeXiT 2.0.1, PS-</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeX Live 2009, MacTeX 2009, Binaries für FreeBSD, LuaTeX 0.46.0, LaTeX News&#160;19, TeX Catalogue, pdfTeX 1.40.10-RC, JabRef 2.6 beta&#160;2, Writer2LaTeX 1.0 final, WinShell 3.31, LEd 0.53, TeXMakerX 1.9.2, TeXTable 0.2, LyX 1.6.4.2, LaTeXiT 2.0.1, PS-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Auch MacTeX&#160;2009 wurde zeitgleich freigegeben. Neu auf der dortigen Projekt-Homepage ist eine Liste mit direkten Links zu Spiegelservern, von denen man das 1,3&#160;GB große MacTeX-Paket herunterladen kann, wenn der Mirror-Link auf der Startseite einmal nicht funktionieren sollte. Nachträglich wurden auch 64-Bit-Binaries für MacTeX veröffentlicht. Dank Nikola Lečić stehen seit kurzem auch Binaries für FreeBSD bereit. Die Plattform war aufgrund von Problemen mit den shared libraries von der Distribution nicht mehr unterstützt worden. Binaries sind nun für FreeBSD&#160;6, 7 und 8 für 32 und 64&#160;Bit verfügbar. Windows-Anwender werden sich vielleicht fragen, ob man besser TeX&#160;Live 2009 oder MiKTeX&#160;2.8 installieren sollte. Joseph Wright hat dazu in seinem Blog ein paar Argumente zusammengetragen. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Auch MacTeX&nbsp;2009 wurde zeitgleich freigegeben. Neu auf der dortigen Projekt-Homepage ist eine Liste mit direkten Links zu Spiegelservern, von denen man das 1,3&nbsp;GB große MacTeX-Paket herunterladen kann, wenn der Mirror-Link auf der Startseite einmal nicht funktionieren sollte. Nachträglich wurden auch 64-Bit-Binaries für MacTeX veröffentlicht. Dank Nikola Lečić stehen seit kurzem auch Binaries für FreeBSD bereit. Die Plattform war aufgrund von Problemen mit den shared libraries von der Distribution nicht mehr unterstützt worden. Binaries sind nun für FreeBSD&nbsp;6, 7 und 8 für 32 und 64&nbsp;Bit verfügbar. Windows-Anwender werden sich vielleicht fragen, ob man besser TeX&nbsp;Live 2009 oder MiKTeX&nbsp;2.8 installieren sollte. Joseph Wright hat dazu in seinem Blog ein paar Argumente zusammengetragen. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TeX Live 2009, MacTeX 2009, Binaries für FreeBSD, LuaTeX 0.46.0, LaTeX News&#160;19, TeX Catalogue, pdfTeX 1.40.10-RC, JabRef 2.6 beta&#160;2, Writer2LaTeX 1.0 final, WinShell 3.31, LEd 0.53, TeXMakerX 1.9.2, TeXTable 0.2, LyX 1.6.4.2, LaTeXiT 2.0.1, PS-</title>
		<link>http://www.texdev.net/2009/11/07/windows-tex-users-miktex-or-tex-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>TeX Live 2009, MacTeX 2009, Binaries für FreeBSD, LuaTeX 0.46.0, LaTeX News&#160;19, TeX Catalogue, pdfTeX 1.40.10-RC, JabRef 2.6 beta&#160;2, Writer2LaTeX 1.0 final, WinShell 3.31, LEd 0.53, TeXMakerX 1.9.2, TeXTable 0.2, LyX 1.6.4.2, LaTeXiT 2.0.1, PS-</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Auch MacTeX&#160;2009 wurde zeitgleich freigegeben. Neu auf der dortigen Projekt-Homepage ist eine Liste mit direkten Links zu Spiegelservern, von denen man das 1,3&#160;GB große MacTeX-Paket herunterladen kann, wenn der Mirror-Link auf der Startseite einmal nicht funktionieren sollte. Nachträglich wurden auch 64-Bit-Binaries für MacTeX veröffentlicht. Dank Nikola Lečić stehen seit kurzem auch Binaries für FreeBSD bereit. Die Plattform war aufgrund von Problemen mit den shared libraries von der Distribution nicht mehr unterstützt worden. Binaries sind nun für FreeBSD&#160;6, 7 und 8 für 32 und 64&#160;Bit verfügbar. Windows-Anwender werden sich vielleicht fragen, ob man besser TeX&#160;Live 2009 oder MiKTeX&#160;2.8 installieren sollte. Joseph Wright hat dazu in seinem Blog ein paar Argumente zusammengetragen. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Auch MacTeX&nbsp;2009 wurde zeitgleich freigegeben. Neu auf der dortigen Projekt-Homepage ist eine Liste mit direkten Links zu Spiegelservern, von denen man das 1,3&nbsp;GB große MacTeX-Paket herunterladen kann, wenn der Mirror-Link auf der Startseite einmal nicht funktionieren sollte. Nachträglich wurden auch 64-Bit-Binaries für MacTeX veröffentlicht. Dank Nikola Lečić stehen seit kurzem auch Binaries für FreeBSD bereit. Die Plattform war aufgrund von Problemen mit den shared libraries von der Distribution nicht mehr unterstützt worden. Binaries sind nun für FreeBSD&nbsp;6, 7 und 8 für 32 und 64&nbsp;Bit verfügbar. Windows-Anwender werden sich vielleicht fragen, ob man besser TeX&nbsp;Live 2009 oder MiKTeX&nbsp;2.8 installieren sollte. Joseph Wright hat dazu in seinem Blog ein paar Argumente zusammengetragen. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.texdev.net/2009/11/07/windows-tex-users-miktex-or-tex-live/comment-page-1/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I think I&#039;ve made clear, the auto-installation idea might be considered a good thing or a bad one. It very much depends on how you work. I&#039;d agree that some progress indication would be nice. (minitoc is a rather special case, I&#039;d say, due to the well-known size of its documentation.)

I&#039;d missed the xindy issue: I&#039;ve never used it myself. However, a quick check through my installation reveals that you are correct: no xindy in MiKTeX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I think I&#8217;ve made clear, the auto-installation idea might be considered a good thing or a bad one. It very much depends on how you work. I&#8217;d agree that some progress indication would be nice. (minitoc is a rather special case, I&#8217;d say, due to the well-known size of its documentation.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;d missed the xindy issue: I&#8217;ve never used it myself. However, a quick check through my installation reveals that you are correct: no xindy in MiKTeX.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Madsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars Madsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really like the auto installation feature, because the processing is hidden for the user. If the package is large (say minitoc) then it takes a long time to install, but the user it not told anything about how far the installation is (last seen in 2.7, great if this have been improved). At least the MiKTeX package manager show how far it is.

Another great thing about TL is that it provides xindy for all platforms, AFAIK it is not included in MikTeX. Great for sorting indexes in non-English languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really like the auto installation feature, because the processing is hidden for the user. If the package is large (say minitoc) then it takes a long time to install, but the user it not told anything about how far the installation is (last seen in 2.7, great if this have been improved). At least the MiKTeX package manager show how far it is.</p>
<p>Another great thing about TL is that it provides xindy for all platforms, AFAIK it is not included in MikTeX. Great for sorting indexes in non-English languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Tomek,

The thing with MiKTeX&#039;s auto-install is that I can just start TeXing a file, and I won&#039;t keep having to stop and install packages I don&#039;t have. This is especially handy if you install as Administrator and use as a normal user.

My mistake on the DVI situation: corrected. On TeXworks, I&#039;m looking here at differences: both systems include TeXworks, so it&#039;s not directly relevant to the discussion.

I thought about mentioning LuaTeX, but at present the one in TeX Live is no good for ConTeXt Mark IV: you still need the minimals. So I&#039;d think most people interested in LuaTeX will need to additonal work with either system.

My post is mainly about people wanting to use (La)TeX: that was the context I was asked about at work. So the underlying architecture of the installation system is not really relevant. As long as it works, I&#039;m not fussed how it&#039;s done.

Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Tomek,</p>
<p>The thing with MiKTeX&#8217;s auto-install is that I can just start TeXing a file, and I won&#8217;t keep having to stop and install packages I don&#8217;t have. This is especially handy if you install as Administrator and use as a normal user.</p>
<p>My mistake on the DVI situation: corrected. On TeXworks, I&#8217;m looking here at differences: both systems include TeXworks, so it&#8217;s not directly relevant to the discussion.</p>
<p>I thought about mentioning LuaTeX, but at present the one in TeX Live is no good for ConTeXt Mark IV: you still need the minimals. So I&#8217;d think most people interested in LuaTeX will need to additonal work with either system.</p>
<p>My post is mainly about people wanting to use (La)TeX: that was the context I was asked about at work. So the underlying architecture of the installation system is not really relevant. As long as it works, I&#8217;m not fussed how it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p>Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: Tomek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tomek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although TeX Live doesn&#039;t provide package auto-installation, it has package dependency resolution, so that dependent packages are installed all in one go. One can also install selected &#039;chunks&#039; of the distribution as collections and schemes.

There is also a DVI viewer in TeX Live -- dviout -- so fans of this legacy format are not left out in the cold.

But the really big deal for this year in both, TeX Live and MiKTeX, is standardization on the TeXworks editor. This aspect is of major importance IMO.

Another factor worth mentioning is that TeX Live ships with Perl interpreter, so no additional installation is necessary to make use of multitude of Perl programs shipped with various packages and new ones are constantly developed.

Ah, and let&#039;s not forget that there is LuaTeX in TeX Live already since last year, while it is still missing from MiKTeX.

Finally, something that should appeal to geeks, a lot of the infrastructure and tools are written in scripting languages (Perl and to a lesser extent Lua), which makes the whole system much more accessible to people who like to experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although TeX Live doesn&#8217;t provide package auto-installation, it has package dependency resolution, so that dependent packages are installed all in one go. One can also install selected &#8216;chunks&#8217; of the distribution as collections and schemes.</p>
<p>There is also a DVI viewer in TeX Live &#8212; dviout &#8212; so fans of this legacy format are not left out in the cold.</p>
<p>But the really big deal for this year in both, TeX Live and MiKTeX, is standardization on the TeXworks editor. This aspect is of major importance IMO.</p>
<p>Another factor worth mentioning is that TeX Live ships with Perl interpreter, so no additional installation is necessary to make use of multitude of Perl programs shipped with various packages and new ones are constantly developed.</p>
<p>Ah, and let&#8217;s not forget that there is LuaTeX in TeX Live already since last year, while it is still missing from MiKTeX.</p>
<p>Finally, something that should appeal to geeks, a lot of the infrastructure and tools are written in scripting languages (Perl and to a lesser extent Lua), which makes the whole system much more accessible to people who like to experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jürgen Fenn (juergenfenn) 's status on Sunday, 08-Nov-09 00:12:19 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jürgen Fenn (juergenfenn) 's status on Sunday, 08-Nov-09 00:12:19 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  http://www.texdev.net/2009/11/07/windows-tex-users-miktex-or-tex-live/        a few seconds ago  from seesmic [...]</description>
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